I (Gene here) had the pleasure of having a candid, unscripted conversation with Bob Schatz – one of the old timers in the arena of Agile and Scrum and early Certified Scrum Trainers (CST), who learned directly from Ken Schwaber (the co-creator of Scrum). Bob openly shared some of his thinking and sentiments about SAFe – the most popular and well-known “scaling model” today.